This is what I've been picking up on for a while now.
On the one hand, the folks who deeply want our nation completely cleared of all illegals, and not let any more in from anywhere for quite a while, are willing to meet somewhere in the middle.
On the other hand, the folks who want all illegals to remain and to automatically and immediately become full citizens are not the least bit willing to even talk about it.
The irony is that if it were put to the current American citizens as a whole in a nation-wide referendum the folks on the one hand would allow the DACA folk, and likely the rest too, to remain so long as they aren't felons or some such, get them started on the citizenship path that already exists, and go with border control and some guidelines for application and quotas (already existing) for any new immigrant applications.
If the folks on the other hand block it out of spite, we're all stuck with a situation nobody at ALL wants. With compromise out the window, it will be not some illegals being allowed to stay, but none. Because that's our current law. Illegals are ... well ... here illegally - and subject to deportation.
Here's a bit from a legal site:
The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 defines an alien as a person who is not a citizen or national of the United States. In other words, an alien is anyone born in a country other than the United States to parents who are not United States citizens.
An illegal alien is someone who is living in the United States illegally; either without the correct legal documentation or by violating the terms of documentation, such as overstaying the time period specified on a tourist or student visa. Illegal aliens have no legal status in the United States. Among other things, illegal immigrants cannot vote, receive social services from federally funded programs, social security benefits, or hold United States passports.
Illegal aliens are subject to detainment and deportation at any time, as are legal aliens if they commit and are convicted of a crime. In many cases however, unless an illegal alien has committed a crime and been convicted, most are not detained or removed from the U.S. simply because they cannot be identified as illegal aliens.
https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/becoming-american-understanding-legal-and-illegal-immigration
Here's an excerpt from an Allen B West article:
71 percent call on companies to offer jobs to Americans before foreign workers.
82 percent of voters support a law that would strengthen sentencing penalties for illegals who had previously been deported and strengthens laws against illegal immigrants who commit crimes in the U.S.
76 percent want more ICE officers.
75 percent support Trump’s focus on jailing MS-13 members
73 percent believe immigrants must be able to support themselves financially.
By a 2-to-1 margin, voters support limiting the number of immigrants who are seeking to live here just because their relatives do, so-called “chain migration.”
59 percent said new immigrants should be required to speak English.
64 percent back legislation that would create a point system based on factors such as English-speaking ability, education levels and job skills to rank applicants for the 140,000 employment-based green cards that are granted annually by the United States.
If the nation is (hypothetically) evenly divided among democrat, republican, and independent folk there are more people represented by some of the above numbers than all of the republicans and independents combined. The democrats have some of their own siding with the compromise.
As it stands right now, from my perspective, if the democrats alone block compromise, yes they can do it, but it will cost them voters from their own ranks likely getting almighty sore at them - because if there is no compromise, guess what.
If democrats want to protect the Dreamers, that's fine by the other side - but if they attach a caveat that includes ALL illegals to the wagon of the Dreamers, it flat will not fly. It will not even roll along a flat road.
DACA expires in March of next year (2018), in just a few months, and all 800,000 of the Dreamers will have to go to the homelands of the parents who brought them here.
You can bet your bottom dollar that ICE will up the ante and, together with every other agency, will become a lot more aggressive in locating and deporting (first) every violent offender they can.
Unless the democrats cooperate in changing existing laws, enforcing said existing laws rather than ignoring them is going to become 'the way it is'. No exceptions for anybody. If you're here illegally, home you go immediately as you are in violation of our current immigration laws and subject to immediate deportation. Say there are 20 million illegals currently within our borders. That's a whole lot of deportations taking place all of a sudden.
So ... what will happen?
There will be a compromise; the illegals will understand that the democrats sold them out for political purposes; those who remain will NOT be happy about it, and they'll switch their allegiance to the folks who worked to get them the compromise - as opposed to those who resisted it and put all 20 million of them at risk for immediate deportation.
The same will go for a hefty hunk of democrats who would be in favor of a compromise. Down the hatch go the democrats - and for what? It's like throwing a game by carrying a weapon onto the field to sack and shoot the other team's quarterback - and the sack totally fails anyway because your own team-mates block you from committing murder, the very attempt being more than plenty to get the whole team pulled for all eternity.
The democrats have already lost this particular hand. If they're willing gamble everything on a hand that ain't got a chance, that's all on them. At this point the republicans/independents are holding all the aces, and tag-teaming the democrats.
As the democrat party 'leadership' balks at compromises that their own constituents want, those constituents know where to turn.
It almost kind of reminds me of when Honorius had the families of 30,000 of his Getae soldiers slaughtered, just to make a pointless political point. Did he REALLY expect his soldiers to stick with him after that? They went straight to Alaric is what they did, and that was the end of Honorius' empire. (short version)
That seems to be exactly the direction the democrats are heading. I doubt they'll be any more successful than Honorius was. If they're willing to sacrifice the Dreamers, not to mention 20 million (or so) others, on the altar of making a pointless political point, what does that say about them? That they will not be allowed to do any such thing is moot - that they are willing to, and will try to, is the message that's going to stick like cockle-burrs in your socks.
At least those are the impressions coming to me from all directions.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Also, Canada get ready because come spring of 2018 they'll be heading your way to get out of having to go south.
You know what really irks me about this whole thing?
Millions of folks in our nation are on tenterhooks because the democrats have been using them as a population of pawns and will not tend to what has to be done to give them some peace and security. That, in my opinion, is just plain hateful meanness. Pretend you're doing somebody a favor and then leave them holding the bag out of spite because somebody else ticks you off ... it's a really mean thing to do.
It's like saying, 'Here, leave your poor home to help me rob this bank and you'll get most of the loot.' And then run out the back door as the law comes in the front to arrest your recruits - who not only don't get any of the loot but have to go to jail before they go back to their poor homes. That's a dirty trick to pull, I have to say.
SHAME.
SHAME.
SHAME.
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